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My guest for this episode is Dr. Michael Karlfeldt.  Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD is a Board-Certified Naturopath with expertise in a wide variety of naturopathic modalities and healing practices.  His fascination with naturopathy began at an early age when he met Dr. Ingemar Wiberg, a leading Swedish Naturopathic Doctor, in Switzerland when he was 13 years old.  After studying Engineering for two years, he worked with Dr. Wilberg for seven years in a demanding, rigorous, and carefully-supervised apprenticeship.  It was this work that opened his eyes to the world of natural healing.  Dr. Karlfeldt currently practices at the Karlfeldt Center in Meridian, Idaho, where he works with patients using numerous healing tools including: IV Therapy, Applied Psycho Neurobiology, Oxidative Medicine, Naturopathic Oncology, Neural Therapy, Sports Performance, Energy Medicine, Natural Medicine, Nutritional Therapies, Aromatherapy, Auriculotherapy, Reflexology, Autonomic Response Testing, Anti-Aging Medicine, and others.  His passion to promote Natural Health publicly has led Dr. Karlfeldt to be a sought-after lecturer, writer, and professor.  His current endeavors include hosting of the popular TV show "True Health with Dr. Karlfeldt" available on Amazon Prime and the HealthMade Radio Show and Podcast.  Tens of thousands of patients have sought his naturopathic expertise in his clinic in the more than 30 years that Dr. Karlfeldt has been practicing.  Dr. Karlfeldt believes in the innate intelligence and healing power of the body and if properly supported spiritually, emotionally, and nutritionally, it can find its way back to health.

Key Takeaways

  • How does Autonomic Response Testing (ART) provide new insights?
  • How often does trauma play a role in complex, chronic illness?
  • What do live blood cell microscopy and oxidative dried blood testing tell about the patient's health status?
  • In support of detoxification, how are Laser Energetic Detox (LED) and ionic foot baths utilized?
  • What are the more common conditions where ozone therapy may be helpful?
  • Can HBOT be helpful in those dealing with chronic Lyme disease?
  • What is PDT or photodynamic therapy?
  • What are the applications of PDT?
  • What is the role of a photosensitizer?
  • Can PDT help to address microbial overgrowths?
  • What is the role of stem cell medicine in Lyme disease and other chronic conditions?
  • What is platelet-derived nano medicine?
  • Are platelets able to deliver medications to a specific target area in the body?
  • What is the HOCATT?
  • How might peptides be supportive in chronic conditions?
  • What cutting edge integrative medicine tools might be used in the treatment of Lyme disease or mold illness?

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Interview Date

October 12, 2021


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[00:00:01.00] Welcome to BetterHealthGuy Blogcasts, empowering your better health. And now, here's Scott, your Better Health Guy.

[00:00:14.05] The content of this show is for informational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose, treat, or cure any illness or medical condition. Nothing in today's discussion is meant to serve as medical advice or as information to facilitate self-treatment. As always, please discuss any potential health-related decisions with your own personal medical authority.

[00:00:35.08] Scott: Hello everyone, and welcome to episode number 154 of the BetterHealthGuy Blogcast series. Today's guest is Dr. Michael Karlfeldt, and the topic of the show is Cutting Edge Integrative Medicine Tools.

Dr. Michael Karlfeldt is a board-certified naturopath with expertise in a wide variety of naturopathic modalities and healing practices. His fascination with naturopathy began at an early age when he met Dr. Ingemar Wiberg, a leading Swedish naturopathic doctor, in Switzerland when he was 13 years old.

After studying engineering for two years, he worked with Dr. Wiberg for seven years in a demanding, rigorous and carefully supervised apprenticeship. It was this work that opened his eyes to the world of natural healing.

Dr. Karlfeldt currently practices at The Karlfeldt Center in Meridian, Idaho, where he works with patients using numerous healing tools, including IV therapy, Applied PsychoNeurobiology, oxidative medicine, naturopathic oncology, neural therapy, sports performance, energy medicine, natural medicine, nutritional therapies, aromatherapy, auriculotherapy, reflexology, Autonomic Response Testing, anti-aging medicine, and more.

His passion to promote natural health publicly has led Dr. Karlfeldt to being a sought-after lecturer, writer and professor. His current endeavors include hosting the popular TV show “True Health with Dr. Karlfeldt” available on Amazon Prime and the HealthMade Radio Show and Podcast.

Tens of thousands of patients have sought his naturopathic expertise in his clinic in the more than 30 years that Dr. Karlfeldt has been practicing. Dr. Karlfeldt believes in the innate intelligence and healing power of the body, and if properly supported spiritually, emotionally and nutritionally, it can find its way back to health.

Now, my interview with Dr. Michael Karlfeldt.

I am super excited today to have Dr. Michael Karlfeldt on the show to talk with us about cutting-edge tools in integrative medicine. For me, this conversation feels a bit more like going to Toys R Us, and I'm so excited today to have this conversation. Thanks for being here, Dr. Karlfeldt.

[00:03:00.16] Dr. Karlfeldt: I'm really excited; it's going to be really cool to get to share some of the amazing things that are available that people just don't know about.

[00:03:09.21] Scott: Tell us about your personal path that led you to becoming a doctor, to doing the work you do today; working with people with complex chronic illnesses.

[00:03:21.00] Dr. Karlfeldt: So it's fascinating; I actually started in engineering. I wanted to become a research scientist ending up at Stanford, at the electronic accelerator, and just trying to figure out the universe.

So that was my initial passion. A dear friend of mine, he was like a father figure to me; he's a naturopathic doctor in Sweden. He is one of the leading ones in Sweden and also headed up one of the curriculums there for one of the natural schools, natural healing schools that we had in Sweden.

He said, well, why don't you just come and check what I do out and see what you think. So I hung out with him for a little bit, and I really love the impact that he had in people's lives. So I was a little torn going back and forth; I'm thinking because I like complex issues, and I figured if I solved the universe, that should be complex enough.

But as I was thinking about it, sitting in a lab and trying to figure out or doing math equations all the time, physics, it was really intriguing to me. But I figured out to work with the human being, and the complexities, and all the different interactions of what takes place in a human being.

I mean to me, that would be even more intriguing and actually be much more rewarding. Then also getting that direct result where you can see the impact in people's lives as you are working on them. So that's what made me shift.

I started to study with him, study underneath him, and I've been, now that was back in 1987, I've been going strong ever since. 

[00:05:15.17] Scott: Beautiful. Let's start by talking about one of our mutual passions, which is Autonomic Response Testing, created by our mentor Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt.

How do you use ART in your practice? Is it something you use with nearly every patient? How often do you find that the information that you obtain from a tool like ART brings you new insights that maybe would otherwise be difficult to acquire with conventional testing alone?

[00:05:44.18] Dr. Karlfeldt: What is amazing is that the body is such a complex piece of machinery, and the sum total of all these activities, it is really hard to measure, to look in the blood, to see what's going on there, and get a good picture of what truly is happening.

Or checking what's coming out of the urine, or whatever type of measurements that you have, looking at tissue. So if you want to gain more information, you want to get to more to where the body communicates. There you have the nervous system, the electrical system, that is then also directly correlated to all the different activities of the body.

All the tissues, the organs, the endocrine system. So if you can then go beyond just looking at the blood and seeing what the sum total of what's going on in the body through the autonomic nervous system. It's such a much better way to gain access as to what's going on.

So I use it with all my patients. It is something that I feel I would not be able to do without. I feel that medicine without that type of testing is very crude. Blood is a very late-stage testing, so if you want to see what is going on before that, you need to utilize tools like Autonomic Response Testing.

I've done a number of other type of so-called muscle testing techniques in the past, and I feel that the Autonomic Response Testing has really kind of eliminated a lot of caveats that exist within the muscle testing.

So with that, let's say you have a patient coming in, and the body only has so many different ways to communicate as to how it's feeling. I mean that something is wrong. It's kind of like the car in a dashboard, you have a light saying warning light, and that's it. So now you have to figure out why is the warning light on?

Why is that red light on? It's the same with the body; it only communicates in a few ways. Like your energy is low, or you have pain, or you feel depressed. So those are some of the, most of the symptoms that you have relates to that.

But then, how do you find out what is causing that? That can be the countless amount of different things. So to be able to then access the intelligence of the body directly through a tool like autonomic response testing, it's phenomenal.

To be able to gain access to where you have all that knowledge and let the body communicate directly to you as to what's going on. Also, when you're dealing with a disease picture, you're wondering which one, so I have all these things going on with the individual; maybe they deal with parasites or heavy metals or a thyroid issue or gut issue, which one should I do first?

The body does best if you do things in an appropriate sequence. You don't want to do everything all at once. With the Autonomic Response Testing, we're doing, you can actually kind of create the sequence that the body is ready for and ready to do, is kind of liking it, kind of like opening a safe. You got to have the right number at the right time.

Otherwise, the safe doesn't open. That's what happens when you use the Autonomic Response Testing is that you are able to tap in and see what is the next thing that needs to be done, and I'm killing pathogens right now, do I need to bind more or do I need to open up detox pathways?

Do I need to open up the lymphatic? Maybe there's a nutritional deficiency that is making the body crash when I'm going after these pathogens? So I don't know what I would do that.

[00:09:51.21] Scott: I agree with everything you said. Sadly for me, I don't have the cool accent that you and Dr. Klinghardt have. When you explain it, it sounds even cooler than when I explain it. But I totally agree.

I mean, even in my own personal healing journey and recovery from Lyme and mold and so on. I mean, the practitioners that I've worked with since 2006 have always used Autonomic Response Testing. So for me, I agree, it's just such an enlightening, insight-producing tool, and I don't know how I would navigate this journey without it.

If we extend a little further into the Klinghardt realm and talk about Applied PsychoNeurobiology, or APN, which you also do. That is another technique that Dr. Klinghardt developed to facilitate the release of trauma.

So I'm interested in hearing you talk a little bit about trauma and how that maybe is like a background process on our phones. Then, how do you see trauma playing in terms of is it commonly a primary issue that you see in your patients with complex chronic illness?

[00:10:59.04] Dr. Karlfeldt: Dr. Klinghardt, he talks about this kind of level of healing. So it's kind of like a pyramid where you have the physical at the bottom of the pyramid, and on the top of the pyramid, you have your spiritual connection to God.

So it's almost like the Tree of Life, where you look at the process in the Kabbalah. You have what's called the Tree of Life; you start with kind of your connection to God and then with on the bottom, which stands for Malkhut, which is kind of more the physical aspect.

I feel that, and in the Tree of Life, I also think in the same with pyramid with Dr. Klinghardt is that there's a continual energy going back and forth. So it's not always that it's a direct process that you have to start this area and then move towards this end goal.

I think that they somehow, in the physical, there's a lot of spiritual and in the spiritual, there's a lot of physical. So it's hard to separate both. So you have to look upon it as a whole instead of just separating them as different entities.

Especially as we know in physics, the matter is not really matter; we know that it's just frequencies anyway. It's just a certain type of frequencies. So knowing that and then also knowing that the emotional traumas, the impact that it can have on us, and how then correlate to disease.

For instance, I do a lot of integrative oncology and also deal with other complex health issues like Lyme and chronic infectious agents, autoimmune etc. So then you can't just focus on the like the heavy metal. Let's say silver fillings, and I have Lupus. So yes, I need to remove the heavy metals, but you also need to look at the trauma that might be driving that disease.

That may not be only what happens in your life per se; it can be something that happened a generation prior, two generations prior, three. In fact, after World War II, in the Jewish concentration camps, the people that were there, they saw that three generations after, people are living now or then experience same kind of anxiety, same kind of trauma as if they lived in a concentration camp, which means that trauma somehow gets stored in our physical being in our body. Which means that let's say you have kidney disease, there may be then a trauma that may be triggering that kidney disease.

I look at it, kind of, let's say, you're working with Lyme to clear out Lyme, and they tend to settle, the pathogens tend to settle in weak areas, or I call it kind of a low gravity point. So if you hold them trauma in certain areas, that becomes in a low gravity point, a weak area, what they've seen is that by holding stress in that area, there's less circulation that goes into that organ, and it just kind of a little bit less than what that happens is that there are less nutrients that gets to it, there are less toxins that are be able to be eliminated from it.

So over time, that organ starts to wear down physically, and that becomes a habitat then for different pathogens. Or if you're dealing with cancer, it becomes an area that tissue can easily become abnormal because of the human that there's less defense in that area.

So you can't just isolate your emotional components or your mental aspect and think that is separate from your disease; it always goes along with your disease. So APN, which stands up for the Applied PsychoNeurobiology, is then a fantastic way then to pinpoint to see where the trauma is originating from, where is it stored in the body?

What kind of emotions is it associated with? Then using very simple techniques like eye movements, color, laser sweeps to help to engage the whole being and engage the whole intelligence of the individual in order to be able to address that trauma.

Because a lot of times when we are hurt, we tend to isolate that, and we want to block that off from the rest of the being because that's a painful sore spot. While we're protecting that, the rest of the body feels okay, but it gets to a point where the rest of the body can't compensate anymore. Now we need to engage the intelligence of the whole individual, and you can then use that simple laser sweep where you just use light in order to be able to pick up that frequency, and move it across the being, that whole being's field.

So that the being in itself can engage and start to heal that trauma. As a naturopathic doctor, we believe in that we do have the innate intelligence within ourselves, and we do have all the powers that exist that we are the best doctors there are, exist within us.

To be able to access that fully and to use that intelligence. That when we can really drive through healing, and that happens as much as it does on a physical level, it happens on an emotional level as well. 

[00:16:43.11] Scott: Beautiful, gosh, I love the way that you said all of that. For people that are resonating with this conversation that we're having here, I wrote an article with Dr. Klinghardt probably over a decade ago now, called the Klinghardt Axiom.

If you just Google Klinghardt Axiom, you'll find that article that goes into much more detail on the connections between emotions and toxicity and microbial overgrowths that Dr. Karlfeldt was just talking about.

Even so much so that it's interesting that Dr. Klinghardt has talked about attempting to detoxify someone from heavy metals with every imaginable tool and then doing an emotional intervention and seeing the highest levels of metals being excreted from the body that the lab had ever seen after doing emotional work.

So there is a connection between these emotions and what the body then is maybe holding on to. So to your point, it's all very much integrated, so that's fantastic.

[00:17:42.18] Dr. Karlfeldt: Yes. One point that I want to make is that frequently what happens, you have then the emotion, the trauma has a certain frequency to itself. It takes a lot of energy to hold that trauma. So what we do then is that we tend to invite pathogens or heavy metals or chemicals that match that frequency.

So then it's kind of like the pathogen in itself is assisting us in holding that trauma, but then when we release the trauma, there's no need for the pathogen to be there to hold that energy anymore. So then it can then be released, kind of like what you're talking about with the heavy metals.

[00:18:22.26] Scott: You have a couple of other tools in the evaluation realm that I wanted to talk about. I'm wondering how you're using live blood cell microscopy to assess your patients. What are some of the insights that you gain from looking at the blood under a microscope?

[00:18:38.27] Dr. Karlfeldt: So it is really fascinating. I mean, obviously, there's a big distinction between healthy blood versus sick blood.

So if you take a little drop of an individual's blood, and you put it on a slide, and you magnify that tens of thousands of times, you can then see how the red blood cells behave, the form of them, how they relate to each other, are they sticking together?

You can also see the health of the cell wall membrane, which would then also translate into the help of the cell wall membrane throughout the rest of the body. So obviously, the blood is a very important component of the body, and if you're seeing those changes and those damages within the blood on the red blood cells, you can then imagine that tissue that is not as important what they look like.

So you can look at the health and of the cell directly and then determine whether do I need to do more cell wall membrane support. Is there a lot of inflammation that's going on? The red blood cells are sticking together not able to transport oxygen efficiently, so then you know that tissue is oxygen-starved. You can also relate to that there's a lot of free radical activity.

There are not enough antioxidants to help to kind of keep those cell wall membranes healthy. You can also see pathogens. Like for instance, Lyme the spirochetes; if you give them enough time and manipulate the red blood cells a little bit, you can see them coming out.

So you can actually look at them and see, yes, there's a lot of parasites, a lot of fungus, yes you're dealing with Lyme, and you can actually watch that live. I would say that that's probably one of the best ways to pinpoint whether an individual's dealing with Lyme or not because it is so hard to get a positive test through normal means like Western blot.

I mean, we do have better ways the IGeneX, they seem to do a really good job, but you're still going to have a lot of false negatives. So to look under the microscope, look at the blood directly, you gain a huge amount of information. So yes, I mean, it's such a valuable tool, just the light blood cell.

[00:21:09.03] Scott: You mentioned free radicals. So I know you also do an oxidative dried blood test, and I'm wondering if that's something that you do in `office. What is that telling you about the patient's health status, and what types of treatment interventions might those results then lead you to?

[00:21:25.22] Dr. Karlfeldt: So with the oxidative and dry blood, it's done in conjunction with the live blood cell analysis. Where we take a drop, and we let it dry on the slide, actually we do little dabs on the slide, and we will let that dry.

You can then see the, again, there's a tremendous amount of information that you see in how the blood dries. You want it to look like the cross-section; I tell my patient look like a cross-section of a tree without any termite holes.

You want it to be kind of a tightly knit, nice-looking tissue without any kind of abnormalities. If you have that, you know that the individual has good tissue strength, is able to withstand disease very much more easily. But then you have these where you see there's just a lot of holes; it looks like a seed.

Then that individual, if you're dealing with cancer, for instance, there's a certain look almost that this looks like you got cancer, and I've had it a number of times where I look at the dry blood, and it just does not look good.

So I asked them to go and do some medical tests, and lo and behold, they are dealing with some lymphoma, non-Hodgkin's. So it really helps a lot, and also what you can do depending on the patterns, you can then see are you dealing with adrenal stress, are you dealing with leaky gut?

What's your vitamin C levels? Do you have heavy metal toxicity? You can see kind of like a dark ring around the blood drop; then you see that there's a lot of heavy metals in the body. It is a tremendous amount of depending on where these different spots are, you can then determine which area of the body and also with tissue. So incredible tool, and it's so non-invasive, inexpensive and gaining that amount of knowledge from just that.

[00:23:33.18] Scott: All right. So now we're going to move on to aisle three at Toys R Us and talk about detoxification, which is really my primary interest is in detoxification and drainage. I think it's just so critical.

So I'm interested in hearing a little bit about how you use tools like laser energetic detox or ionic foot baths, or other tools that might improve our ability to excrete toxins from the body, which are often really at the core of many of these conditions.

[00:24:03.11] Dr. Karlfeldt: Yes. Obviously, to try to drive a bunch of nutrients into a toxic environment that's not going to be that beneficial.

So it is important to make sure that you create an environment where if you add minerals and vitamins, things that you don't want to waste your money on these good nutrients.

So you want to be able to clean out that extracellular space, and also what's going on within the cell, and support and your detox pathways. Your liver, kidneys, lung, skin, colon, so you want to make sure that all of them are supported.

So you mentioned the ionic foot bath; I love ionic footbaths because one, I mean you sit, and then you have a electrolytes within the water, and then you have a charge that you run through that water. That charge will then start to pull things like heavy metals and chemicals and other toxins into the water, and even pathogens, because they have a certain charge that is then drawn towards that.

You can actually see in the water; you can see a lot of this gunk coming out. But it's not always as important what is in the water; what is more important is what's taking place several days past that. They've done studies on this where they collect the urine of individuals that done these ionic foot baths, and they can see the elevation of glyphosates, of mercury, of aluminum.

So it really kind of initiates the body's ability then to move these toxins out, so you wonder kind of how does it do that since we are not doing the footbath anymore? But what it really does, the most powerful aspect of the ionic footbath, is what it does to the ionic channels within the body.

That's where all the transportation takes place of nutrients and of heavy metals and chemicals. So it opens up these pathways of transportation so that the body has the ability to move these metals and chemicals out of the system.

That's why you're seeing it in your urine. But it also opens up your ability to transport nutrients to the appropriate locations. I mean, a lot of people they think that just because I take a multi, all these nutrients are just magically going to appear in the most appropriate place.

But if the pathways are blocked, it's not going to be able to move there, and that's where the ionic footbath really helps, along with the normal detoxification of these other components. Then you're talking about LED or what stands for laser energetic detox.

It looks interesting because all you're doing is that you use a homeopathic vial of a substance, and that can be any metal, any chemical, any bug. But it can also be nutrients; it can be DNA material, it can be parts of the Krebs cycle.

So it can be anything and all; it is just an informational package that is being delivered to the body through a laser beam. So you have that little vial in front of the laser beam and that laser beam that sweeps across the individual. So the energetic aspect of the individual then gains that information about what is in that vile, and that creates and changes.

So if we use, for instance, mercury, we will then create that as a focal point, so then the body will start to look for that energy that mercury throughout the body, and start to collect that and move that more efficiently. It's incredible the impact that such a simple therapy has, or if you would use it then for a pathogen, let's say an individual is dealing with Epstein-Barr virus.

So you can then do these different viruses; they like to hang out because they don't want the immune system to see them. They want to kind of do their flares, and then they go into hiding again. So now you do that sweep with that laser beam that carries the frequency of the Epstein-Barr, and then the body starts to recognize how that is what the frequency looks like.

Where does that frequency exist? So it's kind of like giving the body the knowledge and the information that it needs in order to be able to address what's going on in the body, and coupling that then with the ART becomes really powerful.

Then you can pinpoint and see which pathogen or which chemical or which heavy metal do we need to address at this point? And then using laser energetic detox to be able to do that it becomes, we'll say my math teacher always, when we had kind of, I had a big equation we're able to bring it down to a very tiny equation, he said well, that looks elegant. So it's a very good, very elegant technique.

[00:29:18.23] Scott: I love that, and I think a lot of that laser energetic detox work originated with Dr. Lee Cowden if I remember correctly. I had the opportunity to take some of those courses many years ago, and certainly a powerful tool.

Let's talk about oxidative therapies like ozone, hyperbaric oxygen therapy. I personally am a huge fan of ozone; I've used it in many different forms in my own health journey. What are some of the common conditions where you as a practitioner might use ozone in a patient?

What has your observation been in terms of clinical improvement with ozone therapy? What are some of your favorite ways to introduce ozone into the body?

[00:29:59.22] Dr. Karlfeldt: I do a lot of intravenous here. But it doesn't mean that is sometimes the most practical all the time. So ozone can be introduced in many different ways. I mean, obviously, the intravenous, you can do it through your ears, you can do it directly.

You can put bag on different areas and fill that bag and treat it that way; you can do it vaginally. All these areas are really powerful. In fact, one of my interviews on a radio show called HealthMade Radio, and I had the pleasure of interviewing you as well, interviewed Silvia Menendez.

She is one of the leading researchers when it comes to ozone and ozone therapy. She was saying that, and you have different ways, you have the ten pass where you introduce a large amount of ozone, you do that ten times to really kind of saturate the body and have a huge impact.

But she's saying that even doing the rectal insufflation, introducing ozone rectally. Over time, that seems to have a very similar effect. So even if you may not have access to a fancy clinic like what we do here or other clinics throughout the United States.

You can still gain a lot of traction with whatever you're dealing with, just through rectal insufflation or through the ears and so forth. So ozone is such a multi-faceted tool, and I would say I use it for everything. I mean, I have patients that just want energy and we that boosts them up energy-wise.

I have patients that are dealing with viral infections like Epstein-Barr or herpes or come in with shingles all over, and we do intravenous ozone with that. We have cancer patients, I had cancer patients, and all we did, she was dealing with breast cancer, and all we did was the ozone, and vitamin c and her breast cancer was just shrinking away.

So it is such a multi-faceted tool, and the reason is that it works; it kind of corrects the redox aspect of the individual. So because it balances that redox with where you oxidate, and oxidation is when for instance, you want to oxidate the pathogen to kill it, or you want to oxidate the cancer cell to kill it. But then, you need the antioxidant for you the reduction aspect.

Where you need to kind of repair the tissue after. If you have oxidation area, you need to be able to support that and also protect yourself from other oxidative elements like chemicals in our environment, very oxidative, and the drive kind of that cancer process because it destroys tissue.

So you need that support. Ozone helps in that area beautifully. Even though it is oxidative in itself, it triggers all these antioxidant productions and kind of, it doesn't balance as if it's like a pH buffer. So it's just such a multi-faceted tool. So if we only had that, if that was the only tool we had, we could probably take care of the majority of things.

[00:33:29.05] Scott: I'll be very honest and say that I've not been super excited personally about hyperbaric oxygen therapy in the chronic Lyme realm, in the mold illness realm. Yet, I really respect a number of practitioners that do find hyperbaric oxygen to be helpful.

So I'm wondering what are some of the conditions where you find hyperbaric oxygen therapy really does make a difference. Is it a tool that works well in chronic Lyme disease? Do we have to be concerned if we have Babesia, for example, which maybe would benefit from the oxygen-rich environment? So talk to us about hyperbaric oxygen and whether or not you do use it or find it helpful in the realm of chronic Lyme disease.

[00:34:15.14] Dr. Karlfeldt: So I don't use it a whole lot in chronic Lyme, and I know like you mentioned there are a lot of practitioners that do, and obviously like you mentioned, Babesia impacts the oxygenation of tissue.

There's a concern that if you use hyperbaric, along with when you're dealing with Babesia, that you're actually activating other type of pathogens throughout the body with hyperbaric oxygen therapy. Having said that, there are a number of doctors that are having great success using hyperbaric.

Then you have other ones that say that they've done 40-60 plus sessions, and there was no change. So it's just waste of time and waste of money. That is something that I want to make sure that I respect when patients come to me. I don't want to throw something at them that I don't feel is going to have, that's going to be a game-changer, or that's not going to move the needle.

There are a lot of nice things that we can do, but at the end of the day, is the patient going to get better. I love hyperbaric oxygen therapy; we do it here at my center. I combine it a lot, especially with my cancer patients, I combined it a lot there, and I know we're going to talk a little bit more about photodynamic therapy later on.

I utilize it there quite a bit, and I'll talk a little bit later on about how it's impacting there and that therapy. The biggest thing is that you have people dealing with neurological issues, you have people dealing post heart attacks, post-stroke, dealing with MS, Parkinson's, ALS those type of patients they truly benefit from it. Medically, you can only use it for diabetic wounds.

I mean, that's the only time that insurance will really cover it. But what it does for a diabetic wound is what it does internally as well. So it actually heals that wound internally. So whatever it is that needs healing, regeneration, it will stimulate that.

It increases the stem cell circulation by like eight times and also increases the oxygen concentration of tissue by like 20 times. So that really turns on healing throughout the body. Also, now when we're dealing with also a lot of respiratory issues, that inflammation in your lungs, to be able to do hyperbaric on a consistent basis.

Will really help to heal lungs and reduce that inflammation. So anytime there's inflammation, or where you're needing to heal tissue post-trauma or just post that, due to some disease function, hyperbaric is yes, it's beautiful, it's amazing what it does.

[00:37:27.06] Scott: So later has arrived, and now we're going to talk about PDT or photodynamic therapy. What are some of the primary goals of using PDT? Is it to kill a bug or to stimulate the immune system or to support detoxification or produce more ATP and support the mitochondria, or regeneration or something else?

Like where does it fit? What are some of the conditions where you use it? Is it used more in cancer, or does it have broader application with many types of complex chronic conditions?

[00:38:05.04] Dr. Karlfeldt: So there's a distinction between PDT, which stands for photodynamic therapy, and photobiomodulation. Photobiomodulation, it's more the supportive, regenerative where you heal aspect of the body.

The photodynamic therapy, that is when you are going after cancer cells, you are going after pathogens, and you kill things. So you have the regenerative aspect; you have the killing aspect. So with photodynamic therapy, what you do there is that you combine the light that the photo with a photosensitizer that then attaches itself to the target, and becomes like a beacon, come and shine on me.

So you can use a number of different photosensitizers. I mean common ones; I use a lot of ICG here, or methylene blue is another one that I use a lot. But you can also use natural agents like curcumin, Poly -MVA, St John's Wort, Chlorophyllin, all these and even actually a chemo like 5FU is a strong photosensitizer as well.

So you can actually piggyback on some of the chemotherapy and use light in order to be able to enhance the effect then of the chemo. So if you look at it on the photobiomodulation aspect, I mean you have different types of colors. So it used to be that we only had red, and now we were able to use both ultraviolet, blue, green, yellow, red and also infrared.

So we gain the effect of all these different colors, and each color has a different function within the body. So if we look just at the mitochondria, which is our energy factor within the cell, which is what helps to repair the tissue, the mitochondria controls pretty much the repair of your DNA and repair of the cell in itself. Also, it gives you energy to be able to do things.

So within the mitochondria, you have complex I through IV, which is where kind of energy drives through these complexes. So it's kind of like a pathway that we need to move through in order to be able to, at the end, have the full impact of what the mitochondria gives us.

So let's say we go through, and complex I is active, but complex II is dysfunctional. We're still not getting any energy because we are not moving through appropriately. So if you then bring in light, you can then activate; these are very light-sensitive, it's kind of how the structure of them, they're able to absorb a tremendous amount of light.

Complex I what they've seen is then absorbing a lot of the ultraviolet and the blue aspect, and complex III, the yellow and the green, and the complex IV the red and the infrared. So you can then turn on the mitochondria simply by using light. Just that by itself would then have a huge impact on the regenerative aspect. So you can use that for anti-aging and just for, obviously, energy that will help with detoxification. Will help with any anything that the cell needs to do. And then, we can look at other aspects of what these colors do.

So, for instance, we know that both red, I mean ultraviolet and blue, they are fantastic at killing pathogens just by themselves. I mean, we know that if we shine ultraviolet light, then we can then kill things on surfaces, and that's used a lot in industry in order to be able to control infectious agents in certain areas.

So if we have the ability to do that then intravenously, then we are then able to, as the blood passes by, that optic fiber that's inserted intravenously. We are then continually killing pathogens that are moving through there. Then if we then combine that with in the photodynamic components, we combine that with a photosensitizer that then tags these different pathogens.

So as they are then passing by where that light is intravenously, they are then tagged, and they absorb the huge amount of light and then boom, they're oxidized and killed. So you can do that and the photodynamic component, the killing aspect, you can then do that both for pathogens and also for cancer cells.

If you have like, for instance, circulating tumor cells, that is a big issue. Obviously, you don't want a lot of those because that means that now we are in a place where we are risk for metastasis. Most people don't die from the original tumor; they die from the metastasis.

So if we're able to tag these different circulating tumors with a photosensitizer and then go after them with the light, that is then associated with that photosensitizer. You're then able to kind of control that aspect in a better fashion.

Going back a little bit to the photobiomodulation aspect, I'm sorry for going on and on like this is my passion; I mean that this tool is just so incredible. So you have done the photobiomodulation aspect, you look at the blue light.

One of the things that it does is that it actually detaches the nitric oxide and nitric oxide from the lining of the blood vessels, which allows them to be more available. We know that nitric oxide is tremendous in anti-aging. It slows down the breakdown of the telomeres, it has a vasodilator, so it increases circulation.

So it's just all the different aspects that come along with nitric oxide, and you gain access to just by introducing intravenous blue light. So you can do that. In addition to the killing aspect that we discussed earlier. Then you have things like the green light is fantastic to support the red blood cells and health of the red blood cells. So if you look at the, we'll talk about the light blood cell analysis, and we saw that the red blood cells are all deformed.

They are not able to do their job; they're not able to transport oxygen. They're just pretty much there in the blood for show, and that's it. It's like a bodybuilder that just looks big, but it can't do anything. So it's the same thing with these red blood cells that if we can then support them with the green light, and then that we can really kind of gain support the health of that red blood cell.

So it's fantastic for any kind of cardiac circulatory. Then we have the yellow light for dealing; it's also very vital to combine that with St. John's Wort which would be the photosensitizer that's extremely antiviral. Yes, each light does specific things.

That is very therapeutic for the body. I think that light, using things like light, water, oxygen, those are kind of the forefront of health and therapies because they are so benign, but they are yet so powerful. So yes, it's a tool that I love in my practice, and I use it for all infectious agents and cancer patients and just for anti-age.

[00:46:27.02] Scott: I imagine that after you insert the cable, that you say “may the force be with you”.

[00:46:32.09] Dr. Karlfeldt: Exactly, Luke Skywalker in there. 

[00:46:36.21] Scott: One of the things that, as I was reading about the different colors, I noticed that red could potentially also help to support those dealing with hypercoagulation.

I personally have always tended towards hypercoagulation; we know that things like mold exposure or Babesia or heavy metals or many things can cause this hyperviscosity, hypercoagulation, thickness of the blood. I'm wondering if you use the photodynamic therapy to specifically address the hypercoagulation.

Does it last for a reasonable period of time? Or is it something where they would have to do a number of sessions? Over time, do you see it being corrective in terms of the hypercoagulation issue?

[00:47:23.18] Dr. Karlfeldt: Yes. So the hypercoagulation is kind of a protective measure that the pathogens use. So they like to secrete chemicals that then makes the red blood cells to kind of clump up, which makes it so that the blood moves slower, they have an easier time to pick up nutrients within the blood.

Also, white blood cells have a harder time to get at them. So you can use some of the intravenous red laser light in order to be able to have that impact, and it will create that for a period of time, but you still need to address the cause of the hypercoagulation.

So you need to work on both at the same time. So if you just use the red and address the hypercoagulation that way, you'll get some hack, but you need to combine that with other therapies at the same time. The beauty, though, with red, is that it also helps activate a lot of the; it really gives energy to the immune system to the white blood cells.

So, in addition to then opening up the flow, it makes the white blood cells more active. So then they have more access into these pathogens, so you have a little bit of that benefit as well.

[00:48:46.23] Scott: Is there a color photosensitizer combination that seems to work in Borrelia, Bartonella, babesia? What are some of the microbial overgrowths where you think of PDT as a primary tool?

[00:49:01.05] Dr. Karlfeldt: Yes. In all of those, actually, you would use the ultraviolet, and the blue spectrum tends to be kind of the stronger ones for the viral and the yellow; yes, it also plays a huge role in itself.

So with that, you use things like intravenously EGCG or things like curcumin, riboflavin, methylene blue. Methylene blue, you do combine that with the red, but the other ones you would combine with ultraviolet and blue.

So they've been very effective in going after that. But it doesn't become just a sole therapy, you do need to combine it with other aspects, and that's what you bring in like APN; make sure that you do; you open up your detox pathways.

Also, support endocrine wise, if you get genetic snips, you look at that. So you still want to look at the whole individual because there are people that just do that as a monotherapy, and you'll gain a lot of traction. But if you don't address the rest, you're only going to go so far.

[00:50:16.16] Scott: How long is a traditional PDT session? Then how much of the blood can we actually treat in a single session?

[00:50:26.03] Dr. Karlfeldt: See, that's the beauty of it. We're used to UBI; UBI stands for ultraviolet blood radiation, so that's something that's been around for a very long time. I use it still because people want it, and they like it, and I see great results, so then I'm not going to stop.

But there you have them where you pull 60cc on an individual's blood, and you put that in a saline bag, and then you put ozone into that, and you run that through a machine where you radiate that component of the blood. So that's 60cc that you are then irradiating.

If we use the, like the intravenous laser, machine that we use as a weber laser, you're actually treating the blood as it's passing by. So what you're doing is that you're creating a sterile environment because it is within your own circulation.

So the blood never leaves your body; it's not going through some machine that's filtering it; it's not being put in a bag; it's a completely sterile environment within the bloodstream. As the blood is passing by, it's being treated. Which means that every time if the blood does a complete circulation, I believe takes about a minute for the body to move throughout the whole body.

So if you do a therapy, usually a session lasts about an hour, and you do several colors, do 15 minutes of each color; in some instances, we do a little bit longer depending on. But in an hour's time, you're then able to treat your whole blood circulation 60 times.

So here you're comparing 60cc of your blood versus your whole blood circulation, whether that is, I was at like almost six quarts of blood. So you're treating that 60 times. So six times 60, 360 times that, yes. So it's a huge amount of impact for that.

[00:52:42.27] Scott: So similar to the conversation we were having earlier where you talked about IV ozone, but also being able to do, let's say insufflation, some people work with their practitioner to learn how to do that at home, they do it consistently over a long period of time, and that has cumulative benefits.

I know that the Weber medical laser people also make a wearable device that people can wear at home and can be programmed to do different things. So I'm wondering, do you find that wearable or portable device also has significant clinical benefit?

[00:53:20.07] Dr. Karlfeldt: Yes. They've actually done studies on that; I mean, especially now with the COVID era that we're in. They had a hundred people that they treated using their wearable device, and then had an attachment where you also treated both intranasally and then also your tonsils, treating kind of on your throat.

They combine that with a photosensitizer, and the ones that they used in this study that they did was a riboflavin, which is just vitamin B2. Which is, say, just a water-soluble vitamin, so it's very safe; you can do that in high doses with without any damage in any shape or form.

So they combine that with this wearable device, and they were able to take 100 of a hundred from testing positive to testing negative after doing the treatment, which is quite phenomenal. So I use it quite frequently for people that are dealing with any kind of chronic issues.

My cancer patients, I want them to have one because they come here and they do the treatment, and they get this boost, but I want that boost to continue. So it is a watch that you're pretty much just kind of wearing on your wrist, and you turn it so that the light kind of hits the blood right here. The blood is very close to the surface right here.

So you're continually treating the blood as it's passing by. Then if you've taken a photosensitizer prior to like riboflavin or curcumin or some chlorophyll type of supplement or methylene blue, which I use a lot of. Then that will then improve then the effect in clearing out these pathogens.

So it gives a boost into the immune system, increases circulation; you're talking about hypercoagulation. If you do this on a consistent basis, you're consistently coaching the blood to flow smoothly, and we know a lot of the chronic diseases are connected to the hypercoagulation.

We don't get that good flow to the cells, so to get all the nutrients that they need, and so we can transport all the toxins from them. So it's a very powerful device, and I highly, if anyone wants them, we have them.

There are plenty of other clinics that carry them. But it's just like the ozone devices; I think that's a fantastic home tool to use and to have.

[00:55:59.28] Scott: So is that tool, is that something then someone would have to physically come to your office and have an appointment? Or is that something that they could if they were interested in the wearable device, that they could work with your team remotely to be able to acquire them?

[00:56:13.24] Dr. Karlfeldt: Absolutely, yes. It's something that anyone in the world can get, and it's just to let us know. It's a home device; it's fantastic, I think that everyone should have. We have one here in the clinic, one at home, and I wear them all the time.

[00:56:30.14] Scott: One of the challenges I think with chronic Lyme and mold illness is these conditions go on for years and decades in some cases, even once you've addressed the microbial piece and the toxicity, there is some degree of damage that's happened.

Where we really need some restorative tools and reparative regenerative tools supporting the collagen, those types of things. I'm wondering can PDT be helpful for activating the production of our own stem cells, and can we use these light and photon therapies then to support that regeneration and repair process?

[00:57:08.01] Dr. Karlfeldt: Absolutely. I mean, they've seen that using intravenous light, intravenous laser light, it actually increases the stem cell activity by 20 times. Which means that you're really speeding up the regeneration of the tissue.

I see I also do podcast Integrative Lyme Solutions with the Dr. Karlfeldt, where I had you on, telling your amazing journey and your top 11 that you'd like for a person to go through when you're dealing with Lyme.

So a lot of people they get so hyper-focused because they just go after the bug, and they just kill the bug. I see that with patients all the time, is that they get so bug focused, and they just kind of move from one killer to another killer, and now it's parasites and now it's mold, and now it's babesia, it's Bartonella, now it gets so hyper-focused on whatever the bug is.

Not recognizing that these pathogens that live in an environment and that environment becomes really crucial in regards to how these pathogens behave. So you need to have a strong environment, and you need to regenerate that environment.

That's where things like photobiomodulation becomes really important, also then obviously nutritional agents along with that. I do a lot of other therapies as well; we sometimes do like stem cells for regeneration.

We don't use it really to kill other things. I mean, it's mostly when you have the body in a certain state where stem cells can really do a good job where the environment is right, then that is appropriate to utilize things like that.

So yes, absolutely. Then I may throw in hyperbaric oxygen therapy at that time, not to go after the bug, but then to actually to regenerate.

[00:59:14.23] Scott: I think that's a really good point about stem cell therapies. I did stem cell therapy probably 13 years or so ago in Panama. I did not find it helpful personally in any obvious or significant way.

Maybe if I had gone back and done several more, I would have seen other benefits. But my observation in the chronic Lyme and mold illness in that arena of chronic illnesses is that people oftentimes get really excited about jumping to stem cells, and then find out wow, it was really something more foundational like I was still living in a moldy house or I had some other not enough detox or drainage support or something like that.

So wondering what your thoughts are; I mean do you find stem cell therapies helpful for chronic Lyme disease and more systemic issues? Or is it better for more targeted issues and later in the healing process?

[01:00:06.25] Dr. Karlfeldt: I would say later in the issue, and the issue with stem cell, I think that people, it is sexy. I mean, you like the idea of something that's able to build any kind of tissue in your body.

So if you have damage anywhere, how cool to just get little guys in that can become that tissue and heal that tissue, and then also, stem cells, they secrete a soup of growth factors depending on what kind of area that they're drawn to.

Just to kind of expand on the point, we're making is that stem cells can only do as well as in the environment that it is in. So if you have a toxic environment, if you have a lot of infectious agents, if you have all these different things, the stem cells are not going to be able to overpower that; they're not superhumans in that way.

But if you are doing the foundational components, then stem cells becomes a beautiful tool, and you need the nutrients. I mean, stem cells require all these different nutrients. So kind of do stem cells by themselves, but not supplying the co-factors and the building blocks and all the different aspects that the stem cells need in order to be able to get to work, it doesn't make any sense.

So it's kind of like have workers come out to a construction site, but you have no tools, you have no building material. So they're just standing there and not being able to do anything. So you need to supply what the stem cells need; on your case on going to Panama, I mean, maybe at this point where you're at now, you would have a different impact.

I see; I'm going to have patients coming in they deal with ALS, but I look at what's going on in the body, and they're heavy metal load is tremendous, and they have these small toxins in them, and they just say well, I want stem cells, because I saw somebody that got stem cells and they got better.

I warn them and say if we don't do this foundational, it's going to be a lot of money for nothing. They push for it anyway, and then they get a lot of money for nothing. But I have had like, for instance, an elderly lady, stage five kidney disease, and you do combine stem cells with hyperbaric oxygen therapy, with intravenous laser therapy, with nutritional IVs, and it turns it around.

She didn't want to go on dialysis; she was elderly, and then she didn't want to have to deal with dialysis all the time. So she said I'll give this a shot. I was told I'm going to die in about one to two months if I don't do anything, and so she came to my clinic, and we did exactly that.

We all these therapies in combination with stem cells, not just by itself. We were able to have that impact, and she's doing right now; her kidney numbers are looking great. I mean, it's not perfect of the 100 percent at GFR, but it's a solid almost 50, which she's doing great.

[01:03:35.18] Scott: Let's talk about another one of the exciting tools that you use in your office, which is platelet-derived nano medicine.

So my understanding is that this is a tool that you use in cancer, in autoimmune conditions, also in regenerative medicine as well. So talk to us about this platelet-derived nano medicine, and how does this tie into the photodynamic therapy?

[01:03:57.04] Scott: So the platelet nano medicine is something that has been researched quite a bit, and what that nano just means tiny obviously, and that allows when the particles small is able to move to locations that it otherwise would not be able to if it wasn't that small.

So if you are able and then you look at platelets, the platelets in themselves, they contain a huge amount of, kind of growth factors and stimulating agents, regenerative aspects, and they are drawn towards areas of inflammation. Inflammation is usually where injury is taking place, where healing needs to be produced.

Or, if you're dealing with cancer, cancer is a very inflammatory condition. So they're driven towards where inflammation is, the same with stem cells. So what we do if you are able then to nanoize, to take these platelets and go through a process where you use an ultrasonic device, and then you do a microfiltration.

You're able then to create these small tiny little vesicles that are then drawn towards these areas that needs help. So the beauty with this is that you can then in regards to these platelet-derived nanoparticles, you can then load them with medicine, you can load them with whatever it is that you want to be offloaded into the area that you wanted to go to.

So, for instance, if you're dealing with cancer, then you won't want to have agents that then triggers more oxidation within the cancer. If you then combine it with photodynamic therapy, then you are then able to then these photosensitizers, package them within these nano vesicles that almost like exosome-like structure.

They are then driven towards where the cancer is and then offloading; then, these photosensitizes more efficiently within the cancer. So that you can be much more effective and creating oxidative stress and killing off the cancer cells.

Then also, if you for tissue healing, let's say you have a joint issue and usually you can do like PRP within the joint to trigger regeneration of that joint space, and you can look at it that ultrasound, you can see that the fibers, the tendons the ligaments start to kind of close up.

If you then combine that also with this process, the platelet-derived, and you can load them with like growth factors or peptides like BPC 157 or thymosin alpha 1, to really stimulate the regeneration, it becomes a really powerful way to really make sure that you get these healing agents into the location.

Or we're talking about Lyme disease, for instance, a patient that was bothered by, have a huge impact by human herpesvirus six, which can really have a neurological impact on individual, and healing having these severe kind of neck tightness and pains, that's is causing the story making him not being able to think appropriately.

So you're able then to load these nanoparticles with things like artisanal and then be able to put that into location too. So that you can go after the pathogens right there, and you could do the same with things like curcumin or EGCG or whatever agent it is that you would like.

So it becomes just a really powerful tool to transport whatever it is that you want to the area that needs it, so it's very kind of cutting-edge technology.

[01:08:00.23] Scott: A couple of things come to mind. I mean, it sounds like a super, powerful liposomal +++ type of scenario.

Also, IPT or insulin potentiated therapy that's been used for many years in the cancer arena, to reduce the blood sugar to use a small amount then of chemotherapeutic agents to really target getting them into the cells. I mean, this kind of sounds like almost the next generation of IPT. Is that a reasonable way to think about this?

[01:08:33.15] Dr. Karlfeldt: It's very accurate. I mean, there's a number of studies that are using chemotherapeutic agents like doxorubicin, and they load them in these nanoparticles, and then they're then driven towards young because you have again, that inflammatory signaling that's taking place within the cancer, it will then dry that towards the cancer cells and offload the doxorubicin to kill off the cancer.

So that you don't have doxorubicin floating around everywhere in the body. You're then getting it targeted to that area and having an impact right there and then. Again, it becomes a very elegant tool to where you don't create all this collateral damage that you see.

So it's very similar to the IPT, the insulin potentiation therapy where you don't need as much because you are maximizing the impact at the location where it's needed.

[01:09:34.27] Scott: Well, you have quite the toy store there, a pretty impressive toolbox. We're going to talk about the next tool is HOCATT, which is an ozone sauna system, stands for hyperthermic ozone carbonic acid transdermal technology, which probably for most of us doesn't really mean a whole lot. I saw one of these systems at a conference.

At the time, and this is years ago, at the time, I wasn't super drawn to it; it seemed like it was so many different things that the body was kind of being asked to integrate at once. It seemed like somewhat aggressive tool, and I'm really interested in your thoughts.

Like what can it do, the ten different technologies that it can deliver. Are those things that are used in every session? Or do you use a subset of those technologies depending on that specific patient's needs?

[01:10:24.00] Dr. Karlfeldt: So you agree, I agree, it sounds like a lot. It's kind of like where you have one plus one doesn't equal two, equals ten, and then one plus one plus one equals a hundred. So it can seem a little bit intimidating for an individual then that has a very sensitive system, that is dealing with, where they are hyper-reactive to a lot of different things.

What I've seen though is that, so the different therapies just kind of go through them. You have the carbonic acid or carbon dioxide; you have ozone; you have infrared. You have a rife technology, which is an electrotherapy, where you can then use a specific frequency depending on what it is that you're dealing with.

You also have phototherapy; you actually have light that then kind of bounces around within the hockey chamber and also the little droplets of water that's in there. They kind of create more reflection as well. You have hyperthermia that's going on; you have exercise with oxygen therapy, you have that temp, you have also an ultra-ultrasonic. I mean, so all these things are going on at the same time. Usually, the ones that you isolate away, I mean you can shut off certain things. You don't need to do hyperthermia if you're sensitive to it; the temp that you do kind of separate and ultrasonic; you can do that separate.

So you can run these other therapies, but they are really powerful in themselves. You can regulate as to how much you do, depending on how much time that you're spending with the carbonic acid and ozone, and also the concentration of ozone that comes out.

So you can kind of control if a person is very sensitive, then you can dial down on all these different therapies. Yes, they work in conjunction beautifully. For instance, you start with the carbonic acid, which is a good kind of buffer, PH buffer in itself.

Then obviously, you follow that with ozone like I talked about it. It's a good redox controller, so it just helps to put the body in a homeostasis, so to say. The carbonic acid, it prepares the body for the ozone that comes after within the treatment.

So it prepares the red blood cells to more efficiently be able to transport oxygen into the cells. It also brings circulation more to the skin surface, where you can then more efficiently pull in the ozone that's within that chamber.

It looks like a little personalized sauna where your head is sticking out, and you're just sitting there in your birth suit to make sure you have the best impact. So the carbonic acid is actually key to the effectiveness of the ozone. So it's just an ozone chamber; ozone sauna by itself would not even do close of what you do in combination of that.

Then you add them to photobiomodulation; we know that we have little sensors along our skin that are like little antennas that actually pull in light continually. So we are then recharging, so it's like you're hydrating the body; you're giving the body the fire that it needs.

We also, through the hyperthermia, you're bringing in light because most of us are light deficient. Also, you're bringing in the oxygen. So it's like you're stimulating the basic or refueling the basic elements that the body needs in order to be healthy, and also you work on the electrical system as well through the light technology.

So it's like you're kind of activating all these aspects of the individual, and that they need to be healthy and to be able to find homeostasis. So I use it a lot; I use it sometimes with my cancer patients. I do hyperbaric oxygen therapy one day and then the heart kit another day, just so I get the benefit of both because they both have tremendous benefits, but they work in different ways.

So the patients that I use it for, I mean, a lot of times if they need detoxification, I'd like to use this in combination with the ionic footbath and the laser energetic detox. That seems to really kind of start to move have metals and chemicals out of the body.

Or if you want to kind of recharge the immune system, the HOCATT, along with some of the nutritional IVs, can really also kind of recharge the immune system tremendously. It really supports the body kill off pathogens and mold and all these different things.

If you are looking at the regenerative aspect, then combining that then with things like the PRP, the platelet-derived PRP is fantastic and along with other nutritional agents that would do intravenously, orally and peptide therapy. It becomes amazing. 

[01:15:58.00] Scott: I think I'm going to have to plan a trip to Meridian, Idaho and come by and visit your toy store.

[01:16:03.23] Dr. Karlfeldt: We'll play, we'll have fun.

[01:16:05.26] Scott: So you mentioned peptides, which is a great segue into the last tool that I wanted to touch on today. I've done some prior shows with Dr. Seeds and Dr. Holtorf, so listeners have some familiarity with BPC 157 with Thymosin alpha 1, with Thymosin beta 4, maybe even some of the newer tools like KPV.

What are the peptides that you're seeing helping your patients the most? When do you use them? Is it more for immune modulation or more for restoration and regeneration or a combination of everything?

[01:16:40.03] Dr. Karlfeldt: So obviously, peptides, I mean, there are thousands of different peptides, and they all have different functions. They are just kind of a longer chains of amino acids that have these kind of signaling aspects to them.

So it's kind of again the forefront and where medicine is going and going to use these types of tools in order to be able to create changes within the body.

So currently, especially with what's going on pandemic-wise in the world now, one that I use quite frequently along with methylene blue, the reason that I use methylene blue is because its ability to kind of block spike proteins, also very antiviral and turn on the mitochondria and does a lot of these things. I use that in combination with Thymosin alpha 1.

The reason for Thymosin alpha 1 is really helped to kind of build up the immune system; it's very immunomodulatory. So, for instance, if you need to, you're dealing with cancer, it activates immune system go after the cancer.

If you're dealing with autoimmune like rheumatoid arthritis, I mean I've seen patients that can barely function and walk, and then you bring in peptides like Thymosin alpha 1, and they all of a sudden inflammation start to go away, and then they start being functional, they're able to get back into the gym.

So that's probably one of my, I would say, favorite peptides of all of them because it is so multi-functional and it's so gentle and strong at same time.

Then they have something it's cousin Thymosin beta 4, so that one is amazing when you have; it's kind of like a fire that's gone awry when the body is just so inflamed, and nothing seemed to be working. Then Thymosin beta 4 is what tends to help to kind of cool that system down.

Then I know KPV is you can use that and in that aspect as well to kind of control that inflammation to kind of cool, because a lot of people they're very symptomatic when they deal with these chronic diseases, and sometimes the immune system just goes haywire in response to an infectious agent.

So it's not really an infectious agent that becomes the issue; it's more of the immune system response to it. So to be able to kind of cool that immune system response down becomes a very powerful thing to do. So things like Thymosin beta 4 or KPV becomes really good in that area.

But then, you have for neurological issues, like SSR…, you have Dihexa. Then for tissue regeneration, we do a lot of the BPC 157, and that we can inject that into joints, you can take that orally for gut duration for a collagen restoration, like you're talking about after dealing with post-Lyme syndrome, what to do then.

Things like Thymosin alpha 1, BPC 157 becomes really powerful tools. Then in regards to cancer, I have three favorite ones the Thymosin 1 one again, but also things like methacholine and GHK copper. Those are two powerful ones that help to control a lot of the cancer drivers because cancer it promotes itself by secreting a number of different chemicals that creates a favorable environment for its existence.

So if we can shut down those cancer drivers, and then we are much more successful in our battle, in our journey. So methacholine, GHK copper becomes really good tools along with Thymosin alpha 1. GHK copper is also along with the BPC 157 is really fantastic in regeneration.

It really stimulates the production of stem cells, and in itself, that peptide is very restorative, anti-inflammatory and so forth.

So it is a medicine that I feel is, again, these are kind of forefront tools that people aren't really aware of that exists, and they're dealing with all these chronic issues, and they go to the medical doctor, and they get the same reply, and they get the same anti-inflammatory, same pain medication, and they just try to control symptoms rather than utilizing these tools that are available, that are restorative and regenerative. Then put your body in a place where you can deal with these health issues in much better way. 

[01:21:44.11] Scott: Yes. I love how we can use these peptides to modulate the immune response. To your point, it's not so much the bug that's creating a lot of symptoms; it's our host interaction with those bugs, the immune hypervigilance.

If we can use tools like this to create more tolerance or integration within our microbiome, then a lot of the symptoms that we thought required some bug-killing tool really just required some immunomodulatory approach, and peptides can be beautiful in that realm.

In our last few minutes together, let's talk about how you might apply some of these tools for specific conditions so if we think about chronic Lyme, Borrelia, co-infections like Bartonella and Babesia.

What are some of the tools either that we talked about already or other tools that would come to mind as primary strategies for dealing with those types of issues?

[01:22:37.06] Dr. Karlfeldt: Also, I do; I mean, I'm a fan just like you, and detoxification and drainage. So I feel if you don't open up your ability to move junk out, if you start killing, you're just going to be dealing with a battlefield with a bunch of corpses that are putrefying and then creating damage within the body.

So if you don't have an outlet, you're not going to be in good place. So with that, things like ionic footbaths become really important to start with. Laser energetic detox and it depends on how you're using the laser energetic detox; a lot of times, you don't want to go after the bugs immediately with it. You can then support, you have the removal of chemicals toxins etc.

I think a lot of oral agents, along with the APN, the emotional aspect, becomes very foundational to start with, then letting your Autonomic Response Testing that the muscle testing we're talking about, to kind of guide you along in that process.

As you feel that the individual is strong enough to then be, that you start to go after the pathogens, then to then introduce things like the photodynamic therapy or other intravenous type of substances or using the platelet-derived nano medicine, using those little nano vesicles to kind of offload into areas we that you need to go after.

I usually like to kind of introduce that early as well, because I just see it just really kind of recharge the individual, and along with ionic foot bath and laser engineering detox, it really kind of moves an individual faster to where they need to go.

So it's usually where I start. I mean, obviously, you want to do a lot of the investigative, which you have the light blood cell, the dry blood cell, and then you can then monitor easily to make sure that you're moving in the right direction with everything that you're doing, so yes.

[01:24:51.19] Scott: I love that. So for chronic Lyme, that was a fantastic kind of potential roadmap. I want to talk a little bit about mold illness.

So we know that there's this soup of microbes and toxicants that we encounter in water-damaged buildings, that those can be a major player in many chronic conditions, including Lyme disease, even Alzheimer's disease.

So when we think about mold and mycotoxins, and this whole soup of bacteria and parasites and everything that we encounter in a water-damaged building. What are some of the tools that you think about for mold illness?

Then for those people that do consider the possibility of colonization, of maybe the sinuses or the gut from long-term exposure to, let's say, Aspergillus in a water-damaged building. What are some of the tools that we might consider to also address that colonization aspect of that exposure?

[01:25:47.25] Dr. Karlfeldt: Well, again, you want to start with foundation; that is the key. But then when you're dealing with mold, anytime you start to go after it too much, what happens is that then it secretes all these different chemicals and then all of a sudden the immune system goes haywire, and you feel horrible, you got skin rashes, you can't think you, there's all that comes along with it.

So what you do want to do is that you want to make sure that you have any way to bind to these chemicals that the mold is going to secrete, and there are a number of different agents that are available that you can use.

I mean, I use a lot of the carbon technology type of binders that seems to be very good at mopping things up, and also restorative and also modulatory at the same time. I would strongly suggest using things like KPV or Thymosin beta 4, Thymosin alpha 1. While you're going through that process to control the immune system, while you're going after it, so to say.

Then things like photodynamic therapy become really powerful with the photosensitizer, where you can kind of go after the colonization's. Like if you have it in your sinus cavities, you can then introduce riboflavin or methylene blue and then use laser to be able to go after them that way.

Also, then using ozone, I mean ozone, it's incredible if done appropriately, using that both rectally and then also doing through the ears if you're dealing with a lot of kind of mind that's impacting your mind. We have the brain fog, and the chemicals from the mold is really impacting it there.

So there's a certain thing, the binders become key because when you bind, then these chemicals, they tend to immobilize the immune system. But when you bind to them, then the immune system is then more efficiently able to go after the mold.

But then, at the same time, you need to then control the immune system, so it doesn't become hyperactive. That's when you use these other tools like the peptides and so forth. So it's a little bit of a strategy you have to go through, and it's the same thing as with any kind of pathogen; you got to look at the environment.

[01:28:24.24] Scott: I'm going to coincidentally guess that the carbons that you use also happen to come from Meridian, Idaho?

[01:28:32.01] Dr. Karlfeldt: They do, yes. I'm fortunate enough to have that good connections over here.

[01:28:38.03] Scott: So for listeners, I think we're talking here about the Microbe Formulas, Cellcore Biosciences tools, which I also personally really like and have used, and do use on a daily basis for my own ongoing health support.

Couple last questions, of all the tools that you work with, which ones are exciting you the most at present? And really offer the most hope in your mind for improving the lives of those with complex chronic health challenges?

[01:29:05.00] Dr. Karlfeldt: I do love PDT, I'm not going to lie. I mean, I think that it's an incredible therapy. If you layer that with other things like peptide, stem cells and hyperbaric oxygen therapy, they all come together, they work together.

I think PDT done appropriately, I think we can really see tremendous changes in people's lives, and I have patients coming here dealing with cancer, and we have like a two-week intensive protocol where PDT, the photodynamic therapies, is like the core aspect, and then you layer that with other things like Poly-MVA, DCA, curcumin, artesunate, high dose vitamin C, ozone, hyperbaric and the detox with ionic foot bath, laser energetic detox and APN.

I mean, all these things, they come together beautifully. But at the core of it, that the main pillar; I feel that the PDT is just incredible. Combining that also then with the nano, the platelet-derived nano medicine, that's still very new.

We're kind of playing around with it and seeing incredible results. The exciting part of that is it's so unexplored, and so that is the fun part. You get to explore it and be there when it's happening.

[01:30:34.20] Scott: I will, in the show notes, put a link to TheKarlfeldtCenter.com. For people that are interested in learning about your podcast online, your podcast on cancer, your radio show, your TV show. Where can they learn more?

[01:30:49.08] Dr. Karlfeldt: So the podcast, I do a couple of podcasts. One is a Integrative Cancer Solutions with Dr. Karlfeldt, and then Integrative Lyme Solutions with Dr. Karlfeldt. The reason for both of them is that these two groups are the ones that seem to be the most frustrated, and they don't seem to have a way out.

So my thought is that if they get to listen to people that have been where they are now, and see how they made it through their journey, and how they ended up on the other side, that would give hope and give inspiration and also give insight as to how they can navigate that journey.

That is available on both, there are several different platforms, but iTunes, Google Play, I think Spotify has it; I mean, it's a number of different. So you can just type my last name in on Google, and then the Integrative Cancer Solution or Integrative Lyme Solutions it should pop up that way.

HealthMade Radio is something I've done for a lot of years, and there I get to speak with the smartest of the smartest, kind of like what you're doing in your podcast here. You get to pick people's brains that are just incredibly smart in their area.

[01:32:12.22] Scott: Especially today.

[01:32:15.00] Dr. Karlfeldt: Well, some days are exceptions.

[01:32:19.05] Scott: No, today is an excellent one.

[01:32:22.07] Dr. Karlfeldt: Thank you. Interview people are just the best of the best, whether they're in physics, like Amit Goswami and noble prize laureates; I mean, it's just fun. You can find that on HealthMade.co.

Then you can kind of scroll through, and you can see all the different interviews that are done there. I also have a TV show called the “True Health: Body, Mind, Spirit” used to be on Amazon Prime. But you can find it on TrueHealthShow.com.

[01:32:59.24] Scott: My last question is the same for every guest, and that is what are some of the key things that you do on a daily basis in support of your own Health.

[01:33:07.11] Dr. Karlfeldt: I think just for me, the mental aspect becomes the biggest thing, to have a positive attitude and feel connected. To me, that is the most component and most important component. Then obviously, I do a lot of nutritional aspects.

We create our own goat kefir, goat yogurt. We do a lot of gut healing type of foods. One of the supplements I'm doing now that I'm really excited about this called the anti-orbital ionic calcium that decalcifies the cells and tissue to turn on mitochondria, and it has just tremendous impact on the body in so many different ways.

So along then with taking photosensitizer of the methylene blue. I love Thymosin alpha 1; I do that. The laser watch, so all these different tools we play with continually to make sure that I keep on going doing what I love to do.

[01:34:22.00] Scott: So you kind of are the Willy Wonka of the chocolate factory with all these wonderful toys, and tools, and amazing things.

This has been such a great conversation, you and I actually only recently got introduced, and we've had the opportunity now to speak several times, and it's been such a gift and a blessing for me.

I really feel your pure heart and your intention to really help people in the work that you do, to help minimize their struggle, their suffering. I just want to thank you so much for everything that you do, to honor you and to really be grateful for your time in educating all of us. So thank you so much, Dr. Karlfeldt.

[01:35:00.05] Dr. Karlfeldt: Well, thank you so much. I really appreciate this opportunity. I mean, I appreciate the work that you do to bring this top knowledge of the people that you have to the forefront. I mean, it's a huge effort, and I recognize the effort that it takes, so thank you as well.

[01:35:18.13] To learn more about today's guest, visit TheKarlfeldtCenter.com. 

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