I attended the ILADS Virtual Mold Seminar "Mold: The Invisible Barrier" event February 27, 2021.  Mold is one of the most critical things to explore with many chronic conditions.

My notes below are a very small part of all of the information that was shared at this important event.  To learn more about this and other events or to access the recordings, visit ILADS.org.

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Jill Crista, ND spoke on "Mold: The Invisible Barrier" and shared:

  • Lyme needs you alive to survive; mold wants to compost you
  • Mold has more respiratory, allergy, toxin, genotoxic effects; Lyme more migratory, infection, and no known toxin
  • Commonalities: inflammation, immune alterations, neurological, GI, cardio, joint/skin, vision, biofilm/colonization
  • Infection may ride into the common area, but not "necessarily" the problem when you get into mold; with mold, colonization is seen, but not necessarily infection
  • Lyme disease is an umbrella term for Borrelia species
  • Borrelia has to overcome barriers to get into the body; mold helps Lyme to win the obstacle course 
  • Innate immune response is non-specific; if you look suspicious, we will destroy you and present to the adaptive immune system 
  • Can have an adaptive immune response to mycotoxins; more specific response
  • B cells humoral; T cells in T-cell response
  • Mast cells and NK cells are part of the innate immune system 
  • Innate immune system doesn't feel like the adaptive immune system has its back and overreacts with Borrelia and leads to hyperinflammation and an exhausted innate immune response; adaptive seeming "overreactive"
  • Mold impairs macrophage polarization from M1 to M2 and NK cell function, genetically rewires immune system for susceptibility, cytotoxic to polymorphonuclear neutrophils, reduce phagocytosis, and increases survival of mast cells.
  • Mycotoxins impede protein synthesis leading to a T and B cell deficiency, increased inflammatory cytokines and chemokines
  • Persistent Borrelia survive treatment; most antibiotics are static not cidal
  • Mold increases the innate immune system
  • MMPs are involved in degradation of the extracellular matrix components; increases followed by mast cell increases as well
  • Move lymph for improved delivery to the ECM
  • Treat Borrelia appropriately
  • Lyme is worse in an inflammatory environment; mold creates inflammation
  • IL-1B, TNF-a, IFN-y, IL-17, TLF4 overexpression, TGFb1, VEGF, MMP-9, and M1 to M2 polarization common between Lyme and mold
  • Mold is more than spore illness; spores, fragments, mycotoxins, colonization, chemicals such as VOCs/aldehydes/alcohols/mycophenolic acid, biofilm 
  • Spores induce, mycotoxins suppress; both deplete 
  • People with exposure to damp buildings become allergic to everything; mold is underneath leading to hyper-reactivity
  • 500 fragments per spore; tearing out carpet or redoing a bathroom incorrectly can lead to massive fragment release and "mold-othelioma"
  • Particulates stay in the lungs until you take action
  • Just because we see something a lot doesn't mean it is healthy
  • There is wide structural and biosynthetic diversity among mycotoxins
  • Mycotoxins are lipophilic; they get into any lipid-rich tissue
  • Mycotoxins decrease PC (phosphatidylcholine) ratio of hepatocyte lipid rafts and affect basic function
  • Mycotoxins affect CYP450 and glutathione
  • Mycotoxins cause mitochondrial damage
  • Molds spit out mycotoxins to defend itself via "competitive secretion" 
  • Some mycotoxins cross the blood-brain barrier
  • Immune suppression via direct action on immune cells, epigenetic alterations to immune response, and direct genetic alterations
  • Long-term exposure will lead to IgG subclass deficiencies; subclass 3 is often a gliotoxin exposure
  • TGFb1 impairs TReg function
  • Gliotoxin can also be secreted from Candida
  • If you cannot get platelets up, explore mold
  • Mold leads to "sensitive" patients and counterintuitive reactions to medications due to toxicity
  • Can have increased bleeding and increased clotting
  • She has a questionnaire for the potential of mold illness similar to the Horowitz Lyme/MSIDS questionnaire 
  • Peel the Orange: Avoidance, Fundamentals, Protect, Repair, and Fight
  • Mold will not increase production of mycotoxin as you attempt to kill it
  • Immune Restoration: dilute lipid-soluble toxins with correct fats, restore fat soluble nutrients, push bioflavonoids/polyphenols, support detox, restore mitochondria, choose treatments that do several things
  • There is no data on mycotoxin secretion in sweat; may be helpful to support internal detoxification 
  • Bile is mycotoxin laden; attempts need to be made to minimize recycling of toxins
  • Bile is a detergent that emulsifies fats and eliminates toxins
  • Bile deficiency can impact vision
  • 10:1 PC to cholesterol
  • Bile induces lipase which neutralizes mycotoxins
  • Taurine is not a binder but acts similarly; decreases mycotoxin toxicity; acts as a "pre-binder"; protects kidneys (look for dark circles under eyes)
  • Vitamin D is important for immune restoration in mold; mold blocks VDR receptors and leads to vitamin D resistance; goal > 60 ng/ml; upregulates MMP-9 expression (watch if Vitamin D seems to be triggering)
  • Green tea is a heavy hitter for polyphenols; antifungal, antiviral, and antitoxin effects
  • Aloe is a secret weapon; modulates immune system, boosts humoral immunity, anti-inflammatory for mucosal linings, binds aflatoxin; use inner fillet for polysaccharides; whole plant for laxative effect
  • Quercetin is a polyphenolic that is a potent antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, and antigenotoxic; downregulates MMP-9; best is liposomal quercetin 
  • Artichoke for detoxification; polyphenol rich "detox plant"; protects the immune system 
  • Fight phase uses antifungals; uses primarily botanicals starting with gentle approaches
  • Uses systemic and intranasal antifungals
  • First interface is the sinuses; when she introduced this into her treatment, people got much better; need to knock back fungal colonies
  • Strange reactions to antibiotics can occur if the person is reactive to the same mold the antibiotic is made from
  • A keynote exposure of mold exposure is tinnitus
  • Mold depletes CoQ10
  • Statins are mycotoxins
  • Side effects from Daptomycin can be a clue for mold illness
  • Disulfiram is comparable to fluconazole as an antifungal
  • If she uses a pharmaceutical, she uses a natural agent simultaneously
  • Garlic, thyme, and oil of oregano may be used to combat resistance of RX medications
  • Pau D'Arco is effective in capsules, teas, baths; MIC is similar to Amphotericin B
  • IgG subclass 1 and 3 may be affected by mold and Candida
  • Starts low and slow with treatments; except for fish oil which is used more liberally 
  • Urine mycotoxin testing is an excretion test and can be impacted if the person is a poor detoxifier; leading to false negatives
  • In a perfect world, would do both urine and serum testing for mycotoxins 

Chad Prusmack, MD spoke on " Environmental Sub-concussion: The Potential Role of Toxic Burdens in Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy" and shared: 

  • Uses functional medicine for traumatic brain injuries and concussions
  • Minimally invasive spinal surgeries
  • Environmental "sub-concussion" 
  • Traumatic brain injury is the most complicated disease of the most complex organ of the body persisting in an environment full of invisible toxins
  • Still lack effective means of prognosis, treatment, and recovery for concussion
  • With Lyme and mold, always explore concussion history
  • Dysautonomias may be present; POTS being the most common
  • Take heart rate and BP while supine and standing; POTS is increase in heart rate of > 30 beats per minute
  • Dysautonomia is critical to our danger response and to fight, flight, rest, and digest; impossible to get better if not treated first 
  • Uses NeuroQuant to look for Lyme and mold markers
  • Low impact exercise within 5 days of concussion can be important
  • NAC, Omega 3, D, and ketogenic diet may be used
  • Many types: Vestibulo-ocular, Somatic, Cognitive (uncommon), Limbic, Dysautonomic 
  • People with CTE have mood-predominant symptoms 
  • Midodrine, Propranolol, compression stockings can be helpful for dysautonomias
  • Trazadone may be a good sleep option
  • EMDR can be helpful in their concussion treatment approaches
  • Vestibular system is interrupted in 100% of patients with concussions
  • GPS system gets knocked off course; brain becomes more visually dominant and sees the world upright, makes the sea sickness go away, but the timings are then off
  • Small lack of timings can lead to long-term back (and other) pain as a compensation 
  • Consider glutamate toxicity
  • Creatine is the phosphagenic battery of the brain; often used in their programs
  • Blood-brain barrier may be injured and systemic toxicities may then gain entry to the brain
  • Primary injury is biomechanics; secondary are biochemical, biophysical, blood-brain barrier, microglial priming
  • Second impact syndrome potentiates an already swollen brain
  • Post Concussive Syndrome is when symptoms last greater than 3 weeks
  • May be a long-term effect on neurodegenerative disease
  • Alzheimer's is cortical; CTE is subcortical
  • Takes a Bredesen-like approach to CTE
  • The patient may have been toxic which loaded the gun and the concussion may pull the trigger
  • Look at concussion, sub-concussion, and environmental sub-concussions
  • Environmental sub-concussion from environmental toxicant exposure that can stimulate chronic neuroimmune activation, ionic shifts, an altered microbiome and other secondary neurochemical events resulting in axonal injury; may be the missing link to neurodegenerative disease 
  • Systems approach: genes, toxins, inflammation, imbalances, symptoms
  • Looks for Lyme, heavy metals, dysbiosis, gut-brain axis, stool test, HPA axis, nutrients
  • Mold and concussion - cognitive impairment from toxigenic fungal exposure similar to TBI
  • Mold and tinnitus and oculomotor symptoms associated; impact the vestibular system 
  • Mentioned a protein water called BiPro Protein water
  • In concussion patients, mold toxicity seen in 38.9%; tick-borne illness 33.3%; dysbiosis 19.4%, heavy metals 11.1% 
  • Concussion patients have lower Omega 3 and higher Omega 6
  • Concussion patients have lower E, taurine, and indications of oxidative stress
  • Concussion patients showed markers of mitochondrial impairment
  • Uses Acetyl-L-Carnitine as an energy source
  • Concussion patients had more gliotoxin and aflatoxin; he may use Itraconazole as an antifungal
  • Stachybotrys, Fusarium, Aspergillus significantly higher in those with concussion and brain injury; may be mediating neuroinflammation
  • Treats with NAC, CSM, binders like clay/charcoal/silica, anti-Candida diet, IV PC and glutathione, BPC-157, hormone replacement, Itraconazole/Fluconazole/Nystatin
  • Players often exposed to mold in moldy hotels  
  • Uses Vibrant, Genova, Great Plains, and LabCorp for lab testing

Lauren Tessier, ND spoke on "Mold Illness In The Pediatric Population" and shared:

  • Will not find randomized, placebo controlled studies related to mycotoxins; unethical to expose someone to mycotoxins
  • Numerous cases of acute pediatric pulmonary hemorrhage in Cleveland in 90s; CDC found there was exposure to WDBs 
  • In 1996, CDC added mold growth, standing water, and dampness to SIDS questionnaire 
  • Internal exposure can be from infection, colonization, biofilms, and bioaccumulation
  • External exposure can be from food, homes, schools, daycare, church, camps, community buildings, vehicles 
  • Schools and daycares are notorious for mold exposure
  • 5% of her practice are teachers when less than 1% of the population are teachers; canaries in the coal mine  
  • In some cases, the vehicle was the lingering issues after building remediation had occurred 
  • Mycotoxins enter the body via the gut, lungs, nose; and in females, vaginal, placenta, and breast milk 
  • Systemic circulation = systemic delivery
  • Food exposure yields deposition into fatty tissues like the brain and liver
  • Inhalation exposure yields to deposition in nasal tissues and in olfactory bulb in the brain
  • Children exposed to mold develop increase in IgE sensitivity to non-mold allergens
  • Dietary aflatoxin results in significant reduction in SIgA
  • Aflatoxin suppresses growth factors and may lead to drops in height and weight
  • Fumonisin may lead to decrease in height for age
  • Zearalenone demonstrated higher weight than controls; have seen precocious puberty as early as 6 months to 8 years old 
  • Mold exposure impacts mental, neurological, and social development
  • 70% had abnormal neurological findings including bilateral optic nerve dysfunction and abnormal somatosensory evoked potentials in one study
  • Mold exposure may lead to worsening of ADD/ADHD
  • Mold exposed ASD children had higher levels of neurobehavioral abnormalities
  • Prolonged early postnatal exposure may lead to 3 times the risk of lowered IQ and increase in severity of IQ deficit
  • PANS
    • Neurological autoimmunity correlates with mold and mycotoxin exposure
    • Consider testing antibodies against: Neurofilament proteins, Tau proteins, Tubulin, S-100B, MAP-2, MBP, GFAP, myelin-associated glycoprotein 
  • Symptoms of mold illness look like Lyme and coinfections 
  • Clinical pears for children
    • Delivery: liquids, nebulized/nasal spray, rectal suppositories, sublingual/troche/lollipop/lozenge, lotion/transdermal
    • Binders: blueberry/chocolate smoothie and black lemonade charcoal. applesauce and CSM, increase juice/water, magnesium/trace minerals, D/K, detox co-factors
    • Taste: compounded flavoring, OJ chasers, tongue position
    • Schedule: modified - sometimes is better than never
    • Avoid OTC propylene glycol preparations for constipation 
  • Remediation Support for kids: avoidance is the key to recovery
  • Kids have important belongings too
  • Vacations and positive memories
  • Continuity and normalcy is necessary
  • Ventral vagal tone is so important
  • Counseling/play therapy can be helpful
  • Guardians may need support too
  • Homeopathic remedies for trauma and grief
  • Provokes urine mycotoxin tests for 2 weeks with sublingual glutathione

Jess Peatross, MD spoke on "Mold & Biotoxin Illness: The Hidden Health Hazard" and shared:

  • Mold is multicellular forms thread-like structures called hyphae and produces mycotoxins
  • Mold forms spores that are easily inhaled and stick in the lungs
  • 200 different types of mycotoxins have been discovered
  • Consider type of mycotoxin, duration and amount of exposure, age, sex, health status
  • Consider combined effects of genetics, dietary status, and interactions with other toxic assaults
  • Mold toxicity is a risk in water-damaged buildings and foods; remediation is often not enough 
  • Mold can start a process of lowered immunity and/or autoimmunity
  • Mold can lead to allergic response and/or to biotoxin illness/CIRS
  • In animal models, mycotoxins seem to enhance Th1/Th17; mold illness predisposed to parasites
  • Mold "ruins" mitochondria
  • Conditions linked to mold/CIRS: sarcoidosis, Hashimoto's, Graves, MCS, MCAS, Fibromyalgia, CFS/ME, Lupus
  • 93% of patients with CFS/ME were found to have mycotoxins in their urine
  • Mold and mental illness are commonly associated
  • Mold can lower IQ points in children exposed to mold long-term
  • Mycotoxins damage mitochondria and the ability to produce ATP; leads to excess lactate
  • Mycotoxins damage the electron transport chain and can produce free radicals such as SOD and hydrogen peroxide
  • Chronic illness is not the body; it is something in the environment or inside of us that leads to the illness
  • Living near cell towers does not bode well for patients with mold; may have more EMF sensitivity
  • Mycophenolic acid is an immune-suppressant used to avoid organ rejection
  • Gram-negative endotoxin / LPS can be tested for with Envirobiomics
  • Mitochondrial symptoms: chronic fatigue, brain fog, paresthesias, depression, pain, blood sugar issues
  • Mitochondrial supports: fulvic/humic acids, amino acids, CoQ10, NADH
  • Uses CellCore MitoATP; like a shot of expresso for many patients
  • Drainage and Lymphatic Support: rest/sleep, lymphatic compression, standing, craniosacral, massage, dry brushing, sauna, exercise
  • Glutathione conjugation is not the primary detoxification pathway for mycotoxins; glucuronidation impacts a broader number of mycotoxins
  • TUDCA is a water-soluble bile acid to support drainage
  • Coffee enemas are a mainstay of treatment
  • May start with distilled water enemas, then chamomile tea, then coffee enemas
  • Castor oil packs can be helpful
  • Constipation: colonics, enemas, fiber, extra hydration, exercise, magnesium, senna, chew food well, bitters, whole/real foods 
  • Drainage funnel: colon, liver/bile, lymph, organs/tissues, cells
  • Need binders that cross the blood/brain barrier to access lipophilic toxins
  • Cannot use binders if still constipated
  • Cholestyramine is not that good of a binder
  • New breakthrough is the bioactive carbon binders that makes other binders obsolete; do not strip the body of nutrition; actually provides it
  • Most binders have their energy removed; think cow patties
  • Many organ systems responsible for mycotoxin detox; need to keep the body open
  • CT Minerals to feed cells
  • Advanced TUDCA to move bile
  • MitoATP to increase ATP production
  • HydrOxygen to hyperoxygenate the body, aid mitochondria
  • InflammaControl to calm the innate immune response and inflammatory cascade, activate NRF2  
  • Support bowel movements and phase 1/2 liver detox and mitochondria
  • Trigger sweating/sauna combined with binders
  • Supplement Omega 3; avoid moldy foods
  • Nasal sprays like Propolis and D-NASAL spray
  • Mold does not run alone' has friends like Candida, tick-borne illness, viruses
  • Listen to the body! 

Paula Kruppstadt, MD spoke on "Tools to Identify Concurrent Mold/Biotoxin Illness in Your Pediatric Patients with Vector-Borne Disease" and shared:

  • Was treating children for mold illness and found some plateaued; then started exploring Lyme 
  • Snakes have venom; molds have mycotoxins; to protect themselves
  • Every child that has Borrelia or co-infections should be evaluated for CIRS with HLA-DR, MSH, TGFb1, and MARCoNS; immune dysregulation needs to be returned to normal 
  • Eradicating Lyme organisms may not be possible if the environment is not clean or MARCoNS is present
  • Pediatric CIRS prevalence is 7.01-12.5%; asthma prevalence 8.3%; CIRS is possibly/probably more common than the most common pediatric illness of asthma
  • Many of the children have nocturnal enuresis; bed-wetting
  • If child is < 5 years of age and has chronic headache > 1-2 months, abdominal pain > 1 month, fatigue > 2 weeks, evaluate for CIRS. If < 11 years old, 6 or more of the symptom clusters present.  If > 11 years old, 8 or more clusters are present
  • Claw hands, think TGFb1
  • Top 6 CIRS symptoms in children: fatigue, chronic abdominal pain, chronic headache, prolonged growing pains, enuresis, inattentiveness (ADD/ADHD)
  • Fatigue: rule out infections like EBV, influenza, Mycoplasma; no energy to play; difficulty getting out of bed; wired and tired; want to lay on couch; tongue-tie/lip-tie; 
  • High levels of glutamate
  • 80% of children with PANS/PANDAS have small tonsils; atrophy
  • Inattentiveness, memory impairment, ice pick pain, skin sensitivity commonly seen in CIRS
  • Little bodies are resilient
  • VCS can be used to measure progress and exposure (can become positive in as little as 12 hours)
  • Physical findings: aniscoria, anti-gravity muscle weakness, weakness in shoulder extensor muscles and decreased forearm/arm strength, temperature gun on extremities to check for ANS dysregulation, pale nail bends, claw hands, red eyes, nasal congestion, hyperflexibility
  • Biomarkers: HLA-DR, MSH, MARCoNS, TGFb1, ADH/Osmo, MMP9, VEGF, VIP, C4a, ACTH/cortisol
  • Child > 11 years old needs 5 or more biomarkers along with positive symptom clusters, VCS, physical exam; < 11 years old need 4 biomarkers
  • Multisusceptible HLA means any biological toxin can activate the biotoxin pathway
  • If the MSH falls below 10, assume the person responds as if they are multisusceptible 
  • MSH is the first to fall and last to correct
  • 1200mg EPA/900mg DHA for 1-2 weeks before starting a binder and continuing until biomarkers are restored
  • Use Symptom Clusters with pediatric standards 
  • Use VCS testing
  • Do a physical exam to look for signs of biotoxin illness
  • Obtain biomarkers and utilize age-appropriate standards for CIRS in children
  • Remove from moldy environments
  • Start on fish oil and then a binder
  • Eradicate MARCoNS 
  • For infection testing, has used IGeneX and LabCorp; currently likes Vibrant Wellness
  • Finds CSM often works well in children

Kristine Gedroic, MD spoke on "The Role of the Mycobiome in Chronic Inflammatory Diseases: and shared:

  • The microbiome is impacted by geography, age, diet, breast or formula-red, vertical transmission (C-section vs. vaginal delivery), medications
  • Up to 14,000 strains of bacteria
  • Human carries 37 trillion bacteria
  • We have as many genes as a fly
  • Mycobiome is a growing field starting in 2010
  • Molds within us guide inflammatory and anti-inflammatory pathways
  • Fungi regulate the autonomic nervous system
  • A large part of COVID cytokine storm is probably governed by the fungal response to the virus
  • The microbiome is a large biofilm
  • Treating biofilms in infections is similar to the microbiome
  • Microbiome is a biofilm in the gut
  • These biofilms are important in modulating chronic inflammatory disease
  • There is "cross-talk" between the fungi and the host
  • Fungal-bacterial interactions can be antagonist, synergistic, or symbiotic 
  • Many diseases are the result of disturbance in the mycobiome: CF, IBD, chronic liver disease, dermatitis 
  • A huge part of the autoimmune epidemic is the dysregulation of the microbiome
  • Yeast in the gut can be commensal or infection 
  • Fungal biofilms are far more susceptible to natural therapies long-term; garlic, berberines, spices
  • Biome has historically been regulated with natural spices and foods now disregarded by modern cultures
  • Much of depression and need for SSRIs are due to microbiome no longer efficiently regulating the tryptophan pathway
  • Dietary tryptophan is metabolized by Lactobacilli and yeast
  • Mycotoxins generated as fungal metabolites contribute to disturbance of GI barrier and immune functions and are associated with chronic intestinal inflammatory conditions
  • Treating biofilms and fungal constituents is an important part of her approach
  • Mycotoxicoses is "poisoning by natural means"; internal production of molds and internal production of mycotoxins
  • Mycotoxins are poisons
  • Baby food is often a high source of numerous mycotoxins
  • Fumonisins reside in corn; inhibit ceramide synthase involved in creation of myelin, deplete sphingolipids and impact membrane proteins; folic acid receptor is bound by rafts; not able to bring folate across the cell membrane and leading to neural tube defects
  • Critical to bring fat levels back up in those with mold/mycotoxin illness; need to restore lipid physiology
  • Mycotoxicosis symptoms: fatigue, pain, Fibromyalgia, headaches, paresthesias, limbs fall asleep, GI/IBS, noise and light sensitive, vision issues, ringing in ears, anxiety, panic disorder, POTS/dysautonomia 
  • Sees fungal correlation with PANS
  • Fungai reek havoc on the body if out of balance
  • Treatment Steps
    • Restore lipid balance with PC/PE/Omega 6 (linoleic acid is antimicrobial); PC is anti-inflammatory; mold strips PC; PC inhibits TNFa
    • Reduce inflammation; butyrate, very little manufactured in the biome today; supplementation is critical to lower inflammation
    • Support enterohepatic circulation; gallbladder/liver; CSM can slow this down; increase with cholagogues (bitters) and ox bile
    • Feed the microbiome; pre/probiotics, bone broth, reduce carbs/sugar
  • Shake options: PC, Balance Oil, Evening Primrose, minerals, multivitamins
  • IV phenylbutyrate works differently than oral; anti-inflammatory effects and CNS effects more evident with IV forms; oral for restoring biome; may be used together; oral butyrate can be helpful in chronic viral syndromes
  • Parasite testing is most challenging to get accurate results 
  • Ox bile is antimicrobial and modulates biofilm communities; needed for assimilation of fats
  • Gallbladder ND, artichoke, bitters can be helpful as cholagogues to cause the gallbladder to contract
  • IV butyrate has been a helpful provocation agent for urine mycotoxin testing

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